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#1 Zero77

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 02:14 PM

Hi,

 

Amongst the many fabric decals from Aviattic, there are a lot of linen types.

 

The german linen color looks rather white, or very light grey while the french or british clear doped linen rather looks creamy yellow or beige.

On most profiles of german aircraft with clear doped linen, it looks also creamy yellow / beige, and WNW instructions says XF-57, which is "buff".

 

Any clue about that?


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Posted 02 July 2016 - 11:27 PM

There are no hard "rules" regarding the these linen colours, only likely "best guesses" at the various appearances of different grades of linen available at the time. 

Any manufacturer's colour callouts have to be considered speculative. Ours are based on knowledge of flax and linen types available 100 years ago and study of surviving samples. As an antique dealer and restorer for twenty five years - specialising in antique paint finishes - I have applied my "eye" and experience to this project.

 

The modeller must gauge which he likes the look of - the titles are merely a guide.

Early linen used by all sides was of the pure Irish and Belgian quality and very pale in appearance. Discoloured by dope and varnish then in the field deterioration and staining for their short service lives, numerous effects can be considered and achieved and the "linen effect" decals help reach a new level of experimentation.

As supply lines were broken German  aircraft manufacturers had to use whatever they could get hold of and quality became erratic - even linen intended for tableware was requisitioned and printed on, sometimes overprinting recalled stocks! An unbleached appearance was noted as common and replicated. French linen samples I studied appeared different yet again - a yellow tinted effect perhaps caused by tinted dope coverings rather than its natural state.. But these observations can in no way be declared "fact" - but interpretations I am happy to stand by as a modeller and amateur historian.

 

As with the PC10 argument, light, age, the time of day and weathering can have a huge effect on the appearance of any dye or paint appearance so arguments declaring one colour or the other as "correct" can never be conclusive. What I do is produce the best interpretations of my studies that I can and always try and base these on examination of actual samples.

 

Best wishes, Richard


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Posted 03 July 2016 - 10:10 AM

Thanks a lot Richard !

I asked the question because i had to make an order, but finally i took 3 types of CDL. So i could play with variations. :)


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Posted 15 July 2016 - 09:18 PM

I have the same battles, and Richard just sent me some of almost everything...   :rofl:


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Posted 16 July 2016 - 12:31 AM

I finally ordered about one of each, and a few days later add some PC10 fabric, too. And yes, i also got a few samples. :)

The next british birds will be fun, i guess. :)


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 11:37 PM

Has anyone here applied these linen effect decals yet.

If so, what is your overall impression of their application and final finish?

 

Thanks.


Edited by sandbagger, 19 January 2017 - 11:38 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 11:54 PM

Website gallery is full of pics of the decals on finished models.

 

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