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#91 Kagemusha

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 11:07 AM

Looks great, very nice work.

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 11:51 AM

Hi Everyone

 

Thanks for the compliments and interest. I have completed almost all the "manufacturing" and only a few pieces need to be detailed before I can start the painting and final assembly. 

 

This week was a bit of polishing. The frames on the Me 110 G were different on the rear half of the canopy. To use the kit part which is more sturdy, I had to sand the frame lines off and polish the piece smooth again, The frame on the outside is almost flush with the canopy, but prominent on the inside. I will depict the outside by masking and painting and the inside by 1 mm half-round styrene strip.

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The kit cannon barrels are a bit short, so I used a Dremmel to turn new ones from 1,6 mm rod.. Not as good as Master barrels but better than the kit ones

 

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I also made a pitot tube from steel rod and the wing tip lights from clear sprue polished smooth.

 

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The landing light was painted with clear Humbrol yellow on the inside and glued in place with super glue using small amounts. The glass cover was then sanded smooth once the superglue had set. ( Sorry for the focus. I will post a better picture when taking photos again)

 

 

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I decided to paint the inside of the wheel wells aluminium as most of the late war Me 110's and other German aircraft  did not have the inside of the wheel wells painted. I used an expensive metalizer color which turned out to be a little dark. I the tried the new inexpensive Tamiya lacquer silver which worked fine. I cannot see any difference except the color.

 

 

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The build is now thankfully approaching the final stage of painting.  Comments and suggestions welcome

 

Nick


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Posted 24 February 2018 - 02:17 PM

All's going very well Nick, very impressed with your new MG barrels! As a seasoned WW2 researcher who has learned to be sceptical about a lot of information posted on websites, what's your evidence for the finish applied to the wheel wells of late GAF aircraft please?
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Posted 24 February 2018 - 07:47 PM

Hi Max

 

I have looked at the analysis by Michael Ullman in his book Luftwaffe Colors where he quotes the different orders by the RLM with dates when the paint finishes were changed to conserve raw materials. The SS also mentions the weel wells were RLM02 or the underside color or unpainted. At the moment my friend has borrowed my copy of Michael Ullman's book to finish his build on the ME 262 B-2. If you need specific dates and description of the orders and Michael's analysis , I can get it within about a week. Here is a very interesting analysis of  the finish on the Me 262 and a terrific build. Enjoy

 

 http://www.saairforc...php?f=21&t=9505

 

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 10:02 PM

Love the new barrels!  Great job overall.

 

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 11:35 PM

Nice work on the 110G. It'll be interesting to see how your canopy approach works out.

 

I'd suggest a range of finishes are possible in the wheel wells and there's a degree of safety in terms of much of the detail being 'unknowable'.

 

One thing is that steel parts would be painted as they had to be to even survive being stockpiled before assembly without rusting. RLM02 and RLM66 are both candidates for those parts. Dural likely unpainted, but poss some subcontracted parts painted.

 

Here's a couple of photos of interior (fuel cell housing in wing and inside rear fuselage) where we may see something more akin to original finish (though I'm not sure about the RLM76 on the stringers?). This is Hendon's machine which has been re-painted at least a couple of times on the outside.

 

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I nowadays tend to think almost anything is possible and very little is provable.. Which is quite empowering in a way.

 

That said, it'd be interesting for someone to do a comprehensive study of the Hendon 110G-4 to see what's original and poss what lies beneath some of the repaints...

 

Matt


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 01:59 AM

... The problem I have with most of the drawings is that they show the DB601 and DB605 nacelles as the same length. The more I look at side on photos , the more I get the impression the DB 605 nacelle was about 3 to 4 inches longer. I have measured the relative lenghts of all the panel lines on all the photos I could get and made my nacelles 3 mm longer than that of the Me 110 E kit. I might be wrong about this but it is just something I noticed when starting this build. Any comments? ...

 

Hi Nick, the 601 and 605 were the same engine externally.

The 605 had a bigger bore and different timing and a few

other internal differences. I don't know if there were other

changes to the engine compartment that would require a

lengthening of the nacelles but it wouldn't have been

because of the engine change.

 

Looking very nice so far :speak_cool:

 

VERY late to the party here, I know ... 

 

Mike is right here to one extent at least ... the DB.605 utilises a modified DB.601 block. Therefore, theoretically, the engine should be the same length.

However, fully assembled, with supercharger and other external bells and whistles, the DB.605 was actually longer ... to the tune of 400mm+ ...

It may also have ended up slightly wider at complete assembly ... but I don't have any info on that regard.

 

DB.601:
Type: Twelve-cylinder liquid-cooled supercharged 60° inverted Vee aircraft piston engine
Bore: 150 mm (5.91 in)
Stroke: 160 mm (6.30 in)
Displacement: 33.93 l (2,070.54 cu in)
Length: 1,722 mm (67.80 in)

 

DB.605:
Type: 12-cylinder liquid-cooled supercharged 60° inverted Vee aircraft piston engine
Bore: 154 mm (6.06 in)
Stroke: 160 mm (6.30 in)
Displacement: 35.7 L (2,176 in³)
Length: 2,158 mm (85 in)
 

Rog :)


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 03:14 AM

I'm curious Rog, what bells and whistles added over 15 inches

to the length ? That's over a foot which would likely indicate

a noticeable design change to the cowling.

 

Just wondering   :shrug:


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 06:25 AM

Hi Everyone

 

Thanks for the interest and comments. 

 

Matt,

You are perfectly correct on the fact that things are not provable on late war German finishes. Although I cannot prove many of the assumptions, I still would like to at least get a good probability of having a realistic finish. An example is the use of synthetic material for seat belts. Since only one FW 190D is documented with this, I will still use the older type on my Me 110.The Hendon machine is interesting as a reference, but unfortunately not in the same range time wise as the machine I am doing. I agree the struts and other steel pieces would most likely be RLM02. 

 

Rog and Mike, 

thanks for the input. I just hope half the length increase was at the rear of the engine. As I have based the design of the nacelles on a couple of photos, hopefully it will look right when completed..

 

 

Happy modeling all

 

Nick


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 07:24 AM

I'm curious Rog, what bells and whistles added over 15 inches

to the length ? That's over a foot which would likely indicate

a noticeable design change to the cowling.

 

Just wondering   :shrug:

 

 

Me too!! ...

 

I have a fair amount of data to sift though when I'm looking at specs for things ... and most unfortunately, when it comes to German engineering, a LOT of it is contradictory.

Also ... a lot of it is not in print!! ... which means engineering forums etc ... 

... and I know this because I've had to walk through this headache when tarting up a set of Brassin DB.601 and 605's recently.

 

For example:

One of the references I looked at states that the DB.605 was a completely redesigned cylinder block ... that hardly leans toward 'just' an 'improved 601' ... Although, since nobody is citing any references, I have no idea who their source was.

One thing I can say is that the dimensions I quoted above were evident in just about each reference that went anywhere near external dimensions ... My Brassin 605 (fully assembled) looks fractionally longer than the 601 but otherwise the same.

 

... and so ... it is what it is ... but how it got there, I have no idea! lol

 

Rog :)


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 01:48 PM

Hi Max
 
I have looked at the analysis by Michael Ullman in his book Luftwaffe Colors where he quotes the different orders by the RLM with dates when the paint finishes were changed to conserve raw materials. The SS also mentions the weel wells were RLM02 or the underside color or unpainted. At the moment my friend has borrowed my copy of Michael Ullman's book to finish his build on the ME 262 B-2. If you need specific dates and description of the orders and Michael's analysis , I can get it within about a week. Here is a very interesting analysis of  the finish on the Me 262 and a terrific build. Enjoy
 
 http://www.saairforc...php?f=21&t=9505
 
Nick


Thanks Nick for the reference. I've just finished reading "Luftwaffe Fighter Ace", the autobiography of Norbert Hannig who served mostly on the Eastern Front flying Fw190s. A truly fascinating read which covers his training, operations and post-war experiences and what comes over very clearly is the state of constant change, order and counter order in Germany in the late war years so the likelihood of anything being possible is very possible!!! :)
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Posted 25 February 2018 - 06:21 PM

Excellent progress Nick, intersting what you are doing with the canopy.

 

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 11:41 PM

I'm curious Rog, what bells and whistles added over 15 inches

to the length ? That's over a foot which would likely indicate

a noticeable design change to the cowling.

 

Just wondering   :shrug:

 

I'd have thought the fact that the 109F-4 and the 109G-1 through G-4 had the same cowlings (apart from air scoops added) would indicate the 601 and 605 were pretty close to each other in dimensions?

 

Doesn't mean the 110G cowling wasn't a bit longer though.  Have to be a good reason as it'd mean adding weight in the rear fuselage to bring the CG back, wouldn't it?

 

Anyway, excellent work, looking forward to seeing it all come together.

 

matt


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