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#31 marauderdriver

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 05:24 PM

Well,           You might be young enough to be able to do all the "Fix-it" stuff and finish it :rofl: :rofl:

 

  I've heard this is a pretty rough kit!

 

Did I mention how COOL it would look in a DESERT CAMO :evil_laugh:

 

watch'in you :mental:

 

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 05:41 PM

Yeah, I hear you. :) When I started this, I intended to just relax and build it and envisioned 3-5 weeks. AMS is a tough addiction to shake though...

Kai
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Posted 22 November 2014 - 05:55 PM

Well we all know the Road to Recovery starts with " I Have an Addiction"

 

Only then can  "Rehab" help you thru the Long Struggle to be NORMAL.

 

Repeat after me

 

"Hello, my name is Emperor Kai, and I have AMS"

 

Just saying the words will start you on the Road!

 

Oh Yes!  if no one has mentioned it, a DESERT CAMO would be RAAAAADD!!!

 

watch'in you :hmmm:

 

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 07:12 PM

One question Kai, will you be tackling the single lift canopy ?.......Harv


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 07:14 PM

LOL!   :rofl:

 

"I will finish this model before I retire, I will finish this model before I retire..."

 

Okay, not exactly desert camo :), but exploring some custom nose art possibilities using Vargas pinups.  My favorite so far...

 

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Kai


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 08:00 PM

One question Kai, will you be tackling the single lift canopy ?.......Harv

 

Ah, great question Harvey-  Late last night, I decided to toy around with the canopy question.  The options are:

  1. Build it as-is out of the box
  2. Graft a canopy from another kit
  3. Scratch a vacuform canopy

I'd REALLY like to do this with a clamshell canopy, so option 1 is the default if I can't get something else to work.  I have an old Mattel vacuform machine, but not sure if it still works or not.  I came across some of Radu's generous wisdom on making canopies, but I'd prefer a shortcut if possible.  So, with that in mind, I tried out a few canopies from kits in the stash...

 

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The A-10 NAW canopy out of the box.  Not too bad, but it's the prototype.  Note that the windscreen in the NAW kit is NOT the same as the really incorrect windscreen in the single-seater kit, and is actually an improvement.

 

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Next is the Canopy out of the F-15E parts kit.  It is slightly too long, so in order to pose for the pic, it is canted forward.  If I trim it at the rear and build out a frame along the rear and bottom edge, it will sit closer and hover parallel to the cockpit rail.  This is also fairly close to the prototype profile, and would feature the single piece curved windscreen that according to one source (link below) was the design intention of the A-10B.  Some framing would also need to be built out in front of the windscreen.

 

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Also in the parts-available stash is a Tamiya F-14 canopy.  This has a much sleeker profile, but it is too wide at the rear and would require not only trimming and framing but also probably some widening of the avionics hump behind the cockpit.  It would have the flat plate windscreen like the single seat A-10, but would be a departure from the intended A-10B design.  Because the profile is shallower, there also might not be enough room on the dash for the HUD.

 

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Last up is the canopy from a Trumpeter SU-27UB Flanker C.  Amazingly, it ALMOST drop fits!  Some trimming would be required, especially at the rear framing and the windscreen, but pretty darn close.  Ultimately, there are a number of issues though.  

  • The extended framing at the rear actually obscures the back-seaters lateral view and would need to be polished out.
  • Framing in the middle is too far forward.  It needs to be moved back so it is proportionately in between the seat positions.
  • The overall profile is very shallow and would require rework of the dash to make enough room for a HUD
  • Lastly- it is incredibly sleek (looks pretty bad-ass IMHO), but aerodynamically speaking, I think the cockpit would be in danger of going faster than the rest of the plane. :)

So, put it all together, I think the F-15E canopy is the best option.  At this point, I'm 95% sure I'm going to go ahead and call this an A-10B and no longer an just an NAW.

 

I should also cite the Flight International article that I found, which was written in 1979 when there was still some enthusiasm around the A-10 NAW and is one of the best sources I've come across.

 

Kai


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 08:23 PM

I like !!.....Harv;-)
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Posted 22 November 2014 - 08:26 PM

Out of the 3, the F-14 canopy profile looks best, as it has a better front canopy to main canopy transition; similar to the original. the F-15E canopy is way too bulbous for the profile of the concept 2 seat 1 piece main canopy.  The one-piece 2 seat canopy was going  to retain the original windscreen. The kit windscreen is obviously quite inaccurate to, so what I would suggest is to use the front windscreen from the Squadron A-10 VAC canopy correction and either graft the F-14 main canopy or possible the F-15E canopy. 

 

What we had planned to so is assemble the 2 kit main canopies as a pattern for the one-piece. Obviously some reshaping, scribing, and blend-polishing will be required.

 

Mike V


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Posted 22 November 2014 - 09:15 PM

Mike, when will that be ?...Harv
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Posted 22 November 2014 - 10:06 PM

Probably next year around this time. Erik would have a better idea. We've been going over the concept for some time. An A-10 early or "Backdate" set will most likely precede the A-10B/D concept.

 

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 10:18 PM

Hey Mike- would any of those backdate/update/conversions address the nose? It's probably one of the worst issues with the kit...

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 11:37 PM

Yes, the nose and front wheel well sponsons corrections will be addressed. Erik has nailed the nose correction. I too have been waiting fore these A-10 corrections for a while. We're not done with the 32nd A-10 yet!

 

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 12:08 AM

Awesome thread and contributions guys.

 

Love the A10.

 

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 01:03 AM

Hmmm, something to think about      http://www.descentbb...?start=0&t=3563     I like the second one, but reverse the colors. Kinda like the Aussie Hawk..........Harv


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Posted 23 November 2014 - 02:24 AM

I'm kinda stuck between the F-15E  and a Remake of the original!

 

The ideas that Harv found are all COOL in there own way.

 

I remember when we had the Desert Camo  A-10 Experiment here at Barksdale AFB some years ago.

 

Part of the reason I like it so much.

 

This is the point that you get to decide if this is a What-if.

 

Ultimately you get to decide, but still be "BASED" on concepts that fit the time period.

 

The F-15E canopy reminds me of the F-105C 2seater with a clamshell canopy, quite bulbous looking.

 

Ain't it FUN

 

watch'in you :piliot:

 

 

jack 

I like the nose art....reminds me of Ann Margret   Va-VOOOOMMMM!!


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