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#16 Iain (32SIG)

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 08:26 PM

Indeed Kev - with hindsight I should have done one before I started!
 
I did document my build of the Revell kit though, if anyone's interested that hasn't seen it already.
 
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Posted 11 August 2017 - 08:31 PM

Z-M He 219 review. Unfortunately, we seem to have no corresponding Revell review.

 

I was going to suggest Iain's build thread is a decent enough review ... he beat me to it!

 

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 09:18 PM

I have the Revell kit but I may get the Z-Kit. It is very nice. The reason is that the completed model is large so I feel that it should show something more. So the engines open is appealing or other details elemements. Now whether or not I can actually open my wallet will be another issue.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 09:57 PM

Rick, to be honest, whilst the control cable detail inside the fuselage is incredible I thought the wing rib and spar structure seemed 'clunky', added to which the reviews clearly show quite a bit of flash to clean up. This is not Tamiya quality. Its very daring to go that far but I think ZM get very close to the limits of what can be done with injection moulding. To me it was to much. I know what you mean - a large expanse of airframe so I can see the attraction of added detail. I see that people wanted to buy just the engines when the kit came out. Are there any resin alternatives now? It might still be better to super detail the Revell kit but the lure of ZM may be to much of an itch not to scratch!


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#20 Darren Howie

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 10:14 PM

If you want to display engines etc and learn about the 219 its easy go ZM.
If accuracy is your thing go ZM.
If price is your thing go Revell.
If you want an easy to build kit that will look a whole lot like a 219 go Revell.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 10:45 PM

I have the ZM kit, not because I specifically went out to find the ZM kit, (I love it), but because a good friend was clearing stash space, and I grabbed a few. It's a real monster of a kit, and quite honestly, I can't wait to tackle it and go to town on it.  The internals of the thing are amazing.

 

But for me and the type of modeling I usually do with aircraft ready for flight, I'll be leaving out much of the interior goodies.

 

Like Harv said, though. I couldn't tell the difference between the two in Omaha. They were both built to an extremely high standard.


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Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:46 PM

If I remember right, CMK is doing a resin engine set for the Revell He 219 if you're wanting an exposed engine and not wanting to spend the money on a ZM kit.  Not sure if they are doing both engines or just the one.  I'll do some digging around.


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Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:48 PM

Didn't take as long as I thought it would searching through my bookmarked items.

 

 

https://www.hannants...product/CMK5082

 

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:30 PM

Just an FYI, the ZM kit, while perhaps a little more accurate than the Revell kit, has it's own accuracy issues as well depending on your viewpoint.  There was a very lengthy thread here where the pros and cons of each kit compared to photos of the real thing were discussed.  

 

However, both kits look very nice when built, with one having to look really hard to see any differences.  So it just comes down to what each modeler prefers as I don't think you could go wrong with either kit.

 

And, you only need the Barracuda open cowl flaps if you want to pose them open on your kit, otherwise you can use the kit provided closed cowl flaps :)


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 09:26 PM

Didn't take as long as I thought it would searching through my bookmarked items.
 
 
https://www.hannants...product/CMK5082
 
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Thanks, this looks like the path I am going to take.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 01:05 AM

The "accuracy" issues ZM has are well minute compared to Revells list.
Its not just a "little". Fuselage section shape, canopy, nacelles, props, landing gear all of which if you want an accurate 219 except the gear are impracticle to fix.
However most are hidden well and things like the Nacelle shapes and fuselage are difficult to visualise.
But they are still there.
The 219's have been discussed to death but an accuracy comparison is not where the Revell 219 is going to win this fight by a looong margin.
Ive got both kits and will build both in fact ive got several ZM kits. Ill also grab the new Revell boxing as well.
Its easy to build and looks like a 219 but its not accurate by a fair stretch.
Rather than deride the ZM kit as a means to justify being happy building Revells kit just build Revells and be happy with what it is.
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Posted 13 August 2017 - 03:47 AM

The "accuracy" issues ZM has are well minute compared to Revells list.
Its not just a "little". Fuselage section shape, canopy, nacelles, props, landing gear all of which if you want an accurate 219 except the gear are impracticle to fix.
However most are hidden well and things like the Nacelle shapes and fuselage are difficult to visualise.
But they are still there.
The 219's have been discussed to death but an accuracy comparison is not where the Revell 219 is going to win this fight by a looong margin.
Ive got both kits and will build both in fact ive got several ZM kits. Ill also grab the new Revell boxing as well.
Its easy to build and looks like a 219 but its not accurate by a fair stretch.
Rather than deride the ZM kit as a means to justify being happy building Revells kit just build Revells and be happy with what it is.

It really is amusing how we, as humans go to such lengths to rationalize our choices by criticizing other options just to make ourselves feel happy in the end about the choice we make.  The ZM kit is overwhelming with extra parts, detail, and it really is the "better" kit if accuracy and detail are what you are after.  But, if you are wanting to avoid getting mired in a potentially lengthy build, just accept the Revell kit for what it is, buy the darn thing and move along.  In the end, both will do just fine, but for very different reasons and for different people.



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 08:59 AM

CMK released a lot of detail sets for the Revell kit. They do not correct the shape issues but can give you the internal areas you want to expose with the additional level of crisp detail given by resin.
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Posted 13 August 2017 - 07:23 PM

What was said at the start of this thread: Two well done 219s sitting beside each other, one ZM, one Revell, and I couldn't tell the difference between them.

They both looked like twin engined grey spotted owls with whiskers.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 11:33 PM

The "I can't tell the difference" argument sounds like my wife unsuccessfully trying to differentiate between a Fiat and a Ferrari. That point of view may hold true for you right now, but what happens later when something new is learned, and suddenly the difference becomes apparent? Will it then be necessary to make up some other excuse to justify one's perspective?

 

From Ian's build thread (posted by "afvmodeller"):

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Revell's windscreen on the left, Zoukei Mura on the right:

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After all the infirmation was carefully considered, I bought the Revell kit because it suits me - not because I claim ignorance of the differences. 

 

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