KAGNEW Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 hi i know someone figured out where to cut Monogram wings for proper span, but i can't find it. thanx in advance glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerobat Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 hi i know someone figured out where to cut Monogram wings for proper span, but i can't find it. Glen, Here is some info I had stashed away on the F3F from Wayne Tevlin of Yellow-Wings decals: The final determination then is that the wing extension is exactly three rib spaces longer on each side. This is for both the top and bottom wings. Each bottom wing is three (3) spaces longer in span, and the top wing is six (6) spaces longer in span. That’s three (3) spaces on each side of the center line of the fuselage. The extension is inboard of both of the struts and the ailerons. Because the spaces are slightly different for the top and bottom wings, a new fastening point for the wing struts on the bottom wing will have to be fashioned, slightly more inboard than where the dimples fall on the stock pieces. This is to keep the same wing gap. There are some other accuracy issues with this kit, but none quite so pronounced as the wing span problem. A careful comparison with the Accurate Miniatures kit will show it all. HTH Wayne Tevlin Yellow-Wings Decals There was also a thread last year with some pictographic info and more: Monogram Grumman F3F As Wayne says, HTH Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrundt Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 FWIW Monogram's kit is of the Gulfhawk flown by Al Williams for Gulf Oil. IIRC Grumman modified a production F3F for Al. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesMetz Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 FWIW Monogram's kit is of the Gulfhawk flown by Al Williams for Gulf Oil. IIRC Grumman modified a production F3F for Al. Just to avoid any misunderstanding: Monogram released two distinct kits, one of Al Williams's 'Gulfhawk II', which was custom built by Grumman as an F2F/F3F hybrid, and another of an F3F-3 ... but they didn't lengthen the Gulfhawk's F2F wings to correctly represent those of an F3F. The F3F kit's cowling does differ from that of the Gulfhawk kit, however. Charles Metz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesMetz Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 After adding these red numbers to help me count wing ribs, I realized that some of you might find them useful, too: Any corrections or difference of opinion would be appreciated. The photo is a cropped version of one that Rato posted on the thread to which Gary provided a link above. Charles Metz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAGNEW Posted September 15, 2009 Author Share Posted September 15, 2009 thanx Charles, and others. i have several of these kits, i will do one set of wings, maybe if i make a set, some resin caster here will make a nice set of wings for all of us hint! hint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tench Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 thanx Charles, and others. i have several of these kits, i will do one set of wings, maybe if i make a set, some resin caster here will make a nice set of wings for all of us hint! hint! Try here http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....t=#entry1555526 Hope it helps. TENCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerobat Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I pulled my kit out of the ever increasing to do pile and found an old Aero Modeler that featured and article on the Grumman Gulfhawk. Here is a portion of the drawings that show the wing top view, hopefully with enough clarity. Note the left side is the Gulfhawk and the right side is the F3F-2. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Mike Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 has anyomne compared both kits? I have an F3, but no gulfhawk. i think the resin wing is a great idear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesMetz Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 has anyomne compared both kits? I have an F3, but no gulfhawk. I'm not sure what you're asking, Mike. Yes, I have both kits, as I at least implied a few posts up. What else do you want to know? Charles Metz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Mike Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I was hoping that there might be some difference, as you stated regarding the cowling. I'm thinking a list of changes would be great, sort of a "punch list". Maybe what I should do is find another kit, and just fool with the wings, and cast some, and then go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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