Gigant Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) Not bad Bradley, by the way, are you going to do much of the "internal plumbing" between the pilot's seat and firewall? Edited November 13, 2017 by Gigant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradleygolding Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Hi Gigant, I'm thinking what goes under the instrument panel, stays under the instrument panel. So if you can't see it from the open cockpit, then no. Here is the seat ready for wickerwork. And with some untightened EZ line wickerwork. I had not realised that EZ Line was flat so I may re do it with something else. Steve CANicoll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigant Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Hi Gigant, I'm thinking what goes under the instrument panel, stays under the instrument panel. So if you can't see it from the open cockpit, then no. Here is the seat ready for wickerwork. And with some untightened EZ line wickerwork. I had not realised that EZ Line was flat so I may re do it with something else. Steve You know this kit uniquely comes with an accurate intake manifold and carburetor set-up, and removable inspection panels, which some pilots at times left off altogether? I don't think WnW's kit goes that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradleygolding Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Hi Gigant, While it's true that Revell have modelled an aft of the fire wall system, I would question how much of it is accurate. The Inlet Manifold bears little resemblance to any I have seen in my research of WW1 cockpit photos and is an extended Y shape. All of the ones I have found are T shaped! If the side panels come off I will have to build all of the cartridge ejection tunnels and Castor Oil Tank. Of course the differences with the inlet may be due to which engine is used, and which engine Revell think they have made a model of? The engine in the kit is a sort of cross between a Le Cerget and a AR/BR1. Now I know that essentially they are the same, but there are differences and the engine here sits right in the middle! Steve Gigant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradleygolding Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Wickerwork done. When it's stretched and secured behind the chair it looks okay. Steve Gigant, CANicoll and Gazzas 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigant Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Maybe that is why nobody else bothers to model it. But, knowing those guys back then from reading their articles in the scale modeling mag's back then, I figured that they must have literally crawled in and around one in a museum somewhere, especially to come up with that amount of detail back then. Remember, we, and they did not have all the specialty picture books then, and especially the advantage of "Google-search" as we do now, so that tells me that their work was more painstaking then our "instant computer graphics" stuff you see now. Now when you say a "T", is that from a plan-view or an isometric perspective? I ask this because if you carefully look at the correctly assembled parts,from a plan-view perspective, there is no "Y". The "long-horn-look" as I prefer to call it, comes from a vertical drop from the location of the fuselage side openings to achieve alignment with the propeller/engine drive-shaft's center, and would not be obvious from a "top-down", or plan-view. Edited November 13, 2017 by Gigant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradleygolding Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Gigant, Like I said earlier, I think that Revell used the Wylam drawings from 1946 for a lot of the kit. Essentially it's a T in plan. The upright bends 90 degrees after a few inches and goes to the engine. There is a replica Camel in Canada that has the Y inlet. In most cockpit photos the large horizontal silver tube at the bottom of the instrument panel is the inlet system, and this is certainly a standard installation on Le Cerget/AR/BR1 engines. Steve Gigant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigant Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 OK, Thanks Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradleygolding Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Hey look, when I opened the box and saw all of the parts for the inlet system I thought it was great, it was only when I began to look at Camels properly I realised how wrong it seemed. Steve In fact this page of John Shaw's Camel Reproduction deals with the Inlet Components: http://www.johnsshawaviation.co.uk/wordpress/le-clerget-9ba-rotary-engine/sopwith-camel-engine-controls-ancillaries/ Edited November 13, 2017 by Bradleygolding Gigant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzas Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Amazed at the 'wicker' seat. Gaz Gigant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigant Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Hey look, when I opened the box and saw all of the parts for the inlet system I thought it was great, it was only when I began to look at Camels properly I realised how wrong it seemed. Steve In fact this page of John Shaw's Camel Reproduction deals with the Inlet Components: http://www.johnsshawaviation.co.uk/wordpress/le-clerget-9ba-rotary-engine/sopwith-camel-engine-controls-ancillaries/ Amazed at the 'wicker' seat. Gaz Very interesting Steve. Looking forward to more. Bradleygolding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradleygolding Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) Hi Folks, Of interest, this is what Revell have concocted as the detail aft of the fire wall, it is of course 100% better than WNW effort as they have nothing here at all, but as to how accurate it is? Well I have found Le Clerget carbs that are like this, but they are not the norm on the Camel. In Revell's version there is not really enough room for the Castor Oil tank which sits directly above the Carb. And the Y shaped inlet manifold is not standard. Here is the latest work on the seat, and my first real use of Milliput, which I have to say I did not like at all! I am a P38 man, but the fumes are far worse. I will persevere with Milliput. And lastly, the latest present in the Post. I did not know what to expect of this, but it is really good and contains a wealth of information and photos, many of which were taken by the man himself during WW1. I just wish that the photos had been printed at a better quality as the colour schemes on offer are really interesting. Pups, Tripes, Camels and SE5s of all hues. Cheers, Steve. Edited November 16, 2017 by Bradleygolding CANicoll and Gazzas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzas Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 With a little love, you might turn that bit of unleavened dough into a cushion. I have faith in your abilities! I like milliput, except for the fact that even hardened, it will gum up the teeth of a file real bad. The question is, was it purple paisely, or leather? Gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradleygolding Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 Hi Gaz, Yeah, the cushion on a Camel seat is essentially a very simple flat leather one. Thanks for the confidence. The Milliput I am using is about four years old so maybe I should buy some more? I don't know of a filler that does not gum up file teeth, a brass wire brush should sort that out though. It's just a new skill set to learn, and one of the many with this build.. Steve LSP_Paul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradleygolding Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share Posted November 18, 2017 Milliput seatbelts anyone? Just a test really to see what can be done with this stuff. It seems promising. Steve Guyman1, LSP_Kevin, Bill Cross and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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