CANicoll Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Kent, Like you I've seen the Luftwaffe camo patterns seemingly to almost disappear into each other - I did some research looking at the Do 335 camo and some aircraft's camo pattern seems distinct and on others very faded and pale. I wonder if some of the 'faded' effect is also due to the photographic materials of the time just not being able to differentiate colors all that well, or the effects of poor storage and handling. I'm grasping a generalities here of course. I did find, and of course failed to capture the resources, that said the late war German paint faded very badly, very quickly, due to poor quality pigments. The aircraft we are modeling, the Ar 234 and the Do 335 didn't see operational lives long enough to warrant the kind of fading that, say, a B-26 did over years of heavy use, wear and tear. But still. So I think in general, you have a lot of leeway to find a specific plane you want to depict, and then go with what your resources show. I know that didn't add to your body of knowledge but that is my 2 cents. Following your builds is amazing tho, - great work! Chris kkarlsen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkarlsen Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) Slowly getting to know this plane, trying to figure out how to do the modifications... This is how I'm planning to convert the fuselage to the A' version, 200 mm i 1/32 scale = 3,25 mm's x 2. The fuselage is somewhat V-shaped at the bottom, I will have to cut some more maybe 5 mm's on each fuselage half. The nose wheel well of the kit (and some panellines) are 11 mm's wide, could be the amount the fuselage design was enlarged originally? A great shot of one of the prototypes... Cheers: Kent Edited February 25, 2018 by kkarlsen sandokan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misha71 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 very intresting kkarlsen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holzemjo Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 And another great build! I really didn't find the subject that interesting, but I do now with all the research going on here! If you need any German texts translated, just post them here! Dont know if I'm wrong but in the drawing (and some of the pictures) it looks like the rudder trim tab is split in two, whereas the model has one large trim tab. Greets, Jonas kkarlsen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkarlsen Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 And another great build! I really didn't find the subject that interesting, but I do now with all the research going on here! If you need any German texts translated, just post them here! Dont know if I'm wrong but in the drawing (and some of the pictures) it looks like the rudder trim tab is split in two, whereas the model has one large trim tab. Greets, Jonas Thanks Jonas, I may have use for some help from my 'southern' neighbors, at some point. ;-) I think I know what you mean with the 'subject not being interesting'. Just to do another Ar 234 build wouldn't have been interesting to me either. I have always been fascinated by the development of the Luftwaffe jets. This project gives me an opportunity to explore the Arado 234 and it's development history. So, the build has started, with closing up the wheel wells, with the landing gear hatches and my homemade 'sprue' putty. I've also started working on the retractable skid, using a leftover resin part from the Catalina build. Cheers: Kent LSP_Kevin, sandokan, Trak-Tor and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkarlsen Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Work on the retractable skid continues... Scratched interior parts for the skid support.. Hydraulic's for the skid, made from sprue and diverse styrene profiles... 'Dryfitting' of the parts... The drawings from the Arado 'A' book - A great help... Next up, is to adapt the fuselage to fit the skid construction... Cheers: Kent chukw, Gazzas, Wackyracer and 12 others 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloorwestSiR Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Some fantastic work there Kent. Can't wait to see more. Carl kkarlsen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trak-Tor Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) Amazing! Juraj Edited February 28, 2018 by Trak-Tor kkarlsen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgem37 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Finest kind, Kent. Great detailing. Sincerely, Mark kkarlsen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monthebiff Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 excellent work Kent, seriously interesting project you have going here. Regards. Andy kkarlsen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattlow Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Lovely scratch building here Kent. This will look excellent when finished (yeah I know a long way off). I think you're on the right track with the colours, but remember when you're looking at B/W images you're looking at the tones, not the colours. So there will be quite low contrast in tone, but in colour the difference in the colour can be starker and stand out more (I think this is correct...). So greens 70/71 were usually very low contrast (with some exceptions) and 81/82 were pretty low contrast (though there were different versions of those colours some of which had higher contrast than others - at least it would seem). I read a good article on 81/82 recently but cannot remember where it was. May have been recent work by Ullman (following his discovery that 83 is a blue colour not related to 81/82 - which meant that colours previously thought of as 83 were in fact variations on one of the other colour - confused.. ). It is also generally accepted that the old colours 70/71 could be substituted for the new colours where stocks remained high, which could mean you're looking at 70/82 or 71/81. ha ha ha.. !!! It's a total minefield and anyone who speaks with great certainty is probably kidding themselves. Not sure if the JaPo book covering the 234 in Czech lands has any guidance.... I'll have a look and see. What will help is to find out if Arado used the green or brown shade of one of 81 or 82 (I can't recall which one has the variability). Do it how you like the look of in the absence of anything that clinches the actuality. No point striving for total accuracy if you don't like the look of it - this is as equally art as it is history/science. Matt kkarlsen and sandokan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkarlsen Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) Ok Matt so basically your saying I could get away with almost everything, as long it's not pink and blue! Great. On the B-2 build, I think I will try to get as close as possible to the color photo of Arado Ar 234 B Wk Nr 140312. As the V8 was already tested in early 1944, I suspect it was painted RLM 70/71. I will have to be on the lookout for a color photo to use as reference. Regards: Kent Edited March 1, 2018 by kkarlsen sandokan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkarlsen Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) Thanks Gent's - Next up is cutting up the fuselage... Brrrrrr#?% This is a part I'm not too confident about, you always expect something could go terribly wrong. Cutting 5mm's in the lower fuselage... And not more than 3mm's in the top... No worries, the 'surgery' went really well... The fuselage is now only 38mm's wide. Each wing is 203mm's, that makes the wingspan of the model approx. 444mm's. The wingspan of the Arado Ar 234 A was 14,2 meters/32 = 443,75mm's Like nothing happened ;-) The cutout at the bottom for the retractable skid... Btw: I'm really happy with my new friend, the DIY putty, it's almost impossible to see were I've made the corrections... Cheers: Kent Edited March 1, 2018 by kkarlsen Tolga ULGUR, LSP_Kevin, alaninaustria and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattlow Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Excellent work, a true 'plastic surgeon' How well does the skid framework fit into the fuselage now..? Your colour choices are good pragmatic defaults.. Matt Hubert Boillot and kkarlsen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaninaustria Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Great work Kent, Amazing to see how you have engineered your build so far! Thanks for sharing! Cheers Alan kkarlsen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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