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#31 esarmstrong

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 12:25 AM

^^QED
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#32 mmaben

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 12:41 AM

 Will it then be necessary to make up some other excuse to justify one's perspective?

 

Let's be fair Darin. No one can argue the differences when place side by side.

Take that away and "I can't tell the difference" becomes more justifiable. :whistle:

 

Side by side photos wouldn't help someone who hasn't looked closely at the 219.   :blink:


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 04:16 AM

Let's be fair Darin. No one can argue the differences when place side by side.

Take that away and "I can't tell the difference" becomes more justifiable. :whistle:

 

Side by side photos wouldn't help someone who hasn't looked closely at the 219.   :blink:

I disagree, Mike. Determining the differences between the two kits does not require any knowledge whatsoever of the real thing. 

 

However, determining which one is more accurate does require comparison with the real thing. But, that is not the issue. The obvious differences between the kits despite declarations to the contrary is the issue.

 

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 07:07 AM

the revell uhu has too many shape issues for me. sure everybody will recognize that it is uhu but..........


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 08:42 AM

i liked the revell kit. built it inbetween "serious" builds :P

 

36392258722_bef3fc3dd2_k.jpg6 by karl holubar, auf Flickr

36163771420_275a2366fc_k.jpg5 by karl holubar, auf Flickr

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 02:53 PM

And it looks great, Karl.


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 05:02 PM

The "I can't tell the difference" argument sounds like my wife unsuccessfully trying to differentiate between a Fiat and a Ferrari. That point of view may hold true for you right now, but what happens later when something new is learned, and suddenly the difference becomes apparent? Will it then be necessary to make up some other excuse to justify one's perspective?

 

From Ian's build thread (posted by "afvmodeller"):

 

 

 

 

Revell's windscreen on the left, Zoukei Mura on the right:

 

 

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After all the infirmation was carefully considered, I bought the Revell kit because it suits me - not because I claim ignorance of the differences. 

 

D

 

Sorry to fling in all the photos instead of just the one I'm concentrating on, but in the last two, the ZM windscreen looks opaque.  Is that deliberate, or is there something wrong with it?  I ask because I looked at a review of the kit, and didn't see any mention of opacity.

 

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 05:05 PM

That was a pre-production test shot - prior to some changes and the polishing of the moulds to produce clear parts.

 

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 03:12 AM

^^ True. The canopy was the last thing that ZM modified before release of their kit. The "old man" wrote about it in his blog at the time.
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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:22 AM

Thanks!



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Posted 16 August 2017 - 01:41 AM

I disagree, Mike. Determining the differences between the two kits does not require any knowledge whatsoever of the real thing. 

 

However, determining which one is more accurate does require comparison with the real thing. But, that is not the issue. The obvious differences between the kits despite declarations to the contrary is the issue.

 

D

 

I didn't mean each kit in comparison to the real thing.

I meant comparisons between the kits side by side (as in the photos).

Looking at each kit seperately, one wouldn't notice the inaccuracy of

the Revell kit unless they knew the 219 pretty well.


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 12:16 PM

Well my Revell kit arrived today, complete with Kagero Vol 1, all for £40 delivered. I have  to say that I am very impressed but sorry that Revell Germany couldn't get the shape of a German aircraft spot on when all kit manufacturers have the same reference material! I'm afraid I will follow Iain's example and resort to the saw! Thanks for the inputs from you all


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 07:01 AM

You'll much more enjoy the Revell kit. Be weary of in-box reviews, they do not reflect how the model will build.

Pete and I will both nicely let you know that the ZM kit is not fun AT ALL to "put together". It requires much more surgery than some reshaping of the Revell.

Do enjoy your Revell Owl


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 04:19 PM

You'll much more enjoy the Revell kit. Be weary of in-box reviews, they do not reflect how the model will build.

Pete and I will both nicely let you know that the ZM kit is not fun AT ALL to "put together". It requires much more surgery than some reshaping of the Revell.

Do enjoy your Revell Owl

 

That's a good point. Of what reviews I've done here, I do not ever touch upon accuracy or buildability issues. That's an area of the review process, that I have absolutely no interest in pursuing, and likely never will, so it certainly pays to check with multiple sources.  


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In Progress: 1:24 Bf 109K-4, MiG-15, Soviet Ace, Fw 190F-8,

 

 

 

 


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 01:15 AM

That's a good point. Of what reviews I've done here, I do not ever touch upon accuracy or buildability issues. That's an area of the review process, that I have absolutely no interest in pursuing, and likely never will, so it certainly pays to check with multiple sources.  

 

 

Yes ... that ones a BIG grey area ... I grabbed the ZM kit because of the following - in order of importance to me:

 

* I was earning some good surplus coin at the time and wanted to buy a few of the more expensive kits going around ... like the Tamiya offerings.

* It's a ZM kit ... I'd seen various posts ranting on about the difference in the SWS approach - and wanted to have a look at one. Also I was buying a Shinden kit for Kev, at the time, who piqued my interest in the first place!

* It was reviewed to be a lot more accurate in outline than the Revell kit ... besides being more detailed.

* Reviews were mixed on fit and finish ... I've certainly encountered some who have struggled with ZM kits and their approach to construction ... but also the exact opposite.

The fact that the finished product is highly detailed and accurate was the deal sealer for me ...

the ZM kit I did build (a P.51D) ... I built alongside the Tamiya offering. I had no problems at all - and found it to be the more enjoyable of the two ... others have mentioned that it was frustrating.

I was exceptionally pedantic about testing the fit of parts and surroundings before proceeding with glue ... but then again, I am with every kit that I've ever built. Perhaps this approach will assist when building any ZM kit?

The only two kits I've ever attempted to build that I had real frustration issues with were a Hasegawa Bf.109E and a Revell Bf.110C-4 - both relegated to the round filing cabinet!

 

Rog :)






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