Menelaos Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Say folks I couldn't find any pictures of the nose of the 109F 8673, that should carry the JG27 emblem, that it should be different from the standard one.... Do someone has any wartime pics of the nose? http://www.markstyling.com/bf109fs2.htm Many TNX mpk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightersweep Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Hi! You must be working on the same project as me. Converting the Trumpeter 1/24 109G-2 to one of Marseille's 109F-4 Trops! I'll have a look in the excellent Air Power Editions book on Marseille's 109s for you. If there isn't a photo in there, I'll be surprised if there is a photo anywhere! Best regards;Steve mpk, Menelaos and Kagemusha 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBC Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) Say folks I couldn't find any pictures of the nose of the 109F 8673, that should carry the JG27 emblem, that it should be different from the standard one.... Do someone has any wartime pics of the nose? http://www.markstyling.com/bf109fs2.htm Many TNX I don't know what you mean by "different from the standard one". Each Staffel had their own emblem. Profiles of W.Nr.8673 show it with the emblem of 3./JG27,which is what is depicted in your link. I remember reading somewhere that, while the aircraft was with 3./JG27, it carried the emblem of 1./JG27. I only have one full shot of this plane, unfortunately it has its wingtips covered in tarps, and there are 2 on the fuselage as well - one covers all the perspex and the second covers the engine cowlings, so it is useless. Any number of people here would tell you to never trust profiles as absolute truth. And neither should you take my word for what I vividly remember reading because I can't prove it. I would be interested in an unobstructed full shot of this aircraft as well. Edited June 14, 2017 by TBC mpk and Menelaos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) Hi! You must be working on the same project as me. Converting the Trumpeter 1/24 109G-2 to one of Marseille's 109F-4 Trops! I'll have a look in the excellent Air Power Editions book on Marseille's 109s for you. If there isn't a photo in there, I'll be surprised if there is a photo anywhere! Best regards; Steve Yes Steve, that's right, I would like to make a good F4 and the one flown by Marseille is THE favorite one!....Would be great if you will find something about!! I don't know what you mean by "different from the standard one". Each Staffel had their own emblem. Profiles of W.Nr.8673 show it with the emblem of 3./JG27,which is what is depicted in your link. I remember reading somewhere that, while the aircraft was with 3./JG27, it carried the emblem of 1./JG27. I only have one full shot of this plane, unfortunately it has its wingtips covered in tarps, and there are 2 on the fuselage as well - one covers all the perspex and the second covers the engine cowlings, so it is useless. Any number of people here would tell you to never trust profiles as absolute truth. And neither should you take my word for what I vividly remember reading because I can't prove it. I would be interested in an unobstructed full shot of this aircraft as well. The particular F4 had a different JG27 emblem on the nose. At least this is metioned on the sheet of LifeLike Decals. The african native and Lion had no ear ring and the native head was transparent, so that the RLM79 color could be see in her face. The shape of Africa was also different and the Lion head short smaller....How far this is true I don't know.... I made my own emblem on decal sheet looking at their sheet. But where do they have those informations? Look here http://www.karaya.pl/thumbnails/max/product/e098be5a5a1a75a2b62765aa95b59690a96960ac.jpg http://images.auctionhelper.com/images/10343/Lifelike/LL48035c.jpg Edited June 15, 2017 by Menelaos mpk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBC Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Okay. Does it look like this? http://imageshack.com/a/img922/5797/wHTkZe.jpg MikeMaben, Menelaos and mpk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Probably photographed late August or early September 1942. Menelaos and mpk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Here are three screenshots from http://archiv-akh.de/filme?utf-8=%E2%9C%93&q=Hans-Joachim+Marseille#8 Although the quality is poor it does show the starboard side of W. Nr. 8673 and confirms the I./JG 27 marking on the cowling. The lioness appears to have the earring... Edited June 16, 2017 by RBrown Menelaos and mpk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Many TNX guys!! Okay. Does it look like this? http://imageshack.com/a/img922/5797/wHTkZe.jpg yes! and look at the prop blade...it looks like the later G one... Here are three screenshots from http://archiv-akh.de/filme?utf-8=%E2%9C%93&q=Hans-Joachim+Marseille#8 Although the quality is poor it does show the starboard side of W. Nr. 8673 and confirms the I./JG 27 marking on the cowling. The lioness appears to have the earring... Now the lioness looks here diffrent as it is above...! perhaps another ac? (above) Edited June 16, 2017 by Menelaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Probably photographed late August or early September 1942. why so many red lines on the pic...copyright can be secured in an better way,,,,, Edited June 16, 2017 by Menelaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 why so many red lines on the pic...copyright can be secured in an better way,,,,, Picture was sourced from Ebay I believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) these are the 2 versions of the JG27 emblem that I modified.I alraedy printed them on white decal Edited June 16, 2017 by Menelaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 say folks is there any 1:24 vacu formed canopy for the E/F version?. I only found squadrons early (E1/3) and late canopies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBC Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Menelaos, A few comments on this movie which I've seen before. Did you notice at the end that he is stepping out of his aircraft which doesn't have the black border around the number 14 and it is also a completely different faunt? This means it is not W.Nr.8673. Examination of my pictures determined that, based on the position of the number 4 with respect to the fuselage cross, this aircraft is neither 10059 or 10137. The number 4 and fuselage cross relative positions match up perfectly with images I have of 8693. Also go the frame at 10:15:20:14. This aircraft is also not 8673 due to the faunt of the number 14 plus the fuselage has the high camo demarcation line. I think this is video of 10137. I do stand to be corrected. I believe there is also footage of 10059 out there too. This is clearly a compilation of his aircraft. Edited June 16, 2017 by TBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBC Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Those JG.27 badges were hand painted, and there was a LOT of individual variation, often between one side and the other on the same aircraft. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) The video has footage of more than one of Marseille's 109s. But the presence of 8673, in some of the footage, is established by the rudder marking. Additional circumstantial evidence is the lack of a black border on the fuselage cross and the presence of the I./JG 27 emblem on the cowling. Of the known Bf 109 Fs assigned to Marseille only 8673 carried the emblem on the cowling. Edited June 16, 2017 by RBrown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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